Quick compile of core out of box (tclN.tar.gz), [socket], [fconfigure], [fileevent], [after], Tcl threads (message passing api), [tclkit], the still easy meshing with C, tons of free "wrapped" C libs, the still simple core (no we don't need OO there nor do we need FP -- even if it would be cool). When all toying (playing with other more advanced languages and paradigms) done, its time to roll up the sleeves and bang out some Tcl. ''Damn you Tcl!'' -- [Todd Coram] -------- Why does Tcl still matter?