----- [MAK] - '''ENOUGH TROLLING'''. This is not productive, and the signal to noise ratio is zero. Look, it's very simple: stop pooing all over the wiki, list alleged issues and options, and put it to a vote. For comments see other revisions. 1. Could the [Ask, and it shall be given.] organization stand some improvement? (Yes - [MAK], [A/AK], [GPS], [SS], [RS], [MC], [RA] ...) / (No - ...) 1. Is what's currently being done the right approach? (Yes - ...) / (No - [MAK], [CMcC], [A/AK], [GPS], [SS], [RS], [MC], [RA] Great approach per se but not in harmony with the rest of the wiki, ...) 1. Should changes be made willy-nilly on the live wiki until a reasonable consensus on the approach is reached? (Yes -- [RA] This is called trial and error; a tentative approach submitted to the Community for approval, ...) (No - [MAK], [CMcC], [A/AK], [GPS], [SS], [RS], [MC], ...) / 1. Should we keep the current format of '''one problem per page''' even for the answered questions and not put many questions on the same page? (Yes - [RA], ...) / (No - [MAK], ...) 1. Should experimentation and "proof of concept" work be done on a separate throwaway wiki? (Yes - [MAK], [CMcC], [A/AK], [GPS], [SS], [MC], [RA], ...) / (No - ...) 1. Should links provided by Wikit (to edit, recent changes, etc.) be put in the editable portion of pages? (Yes - [RA], ...) / (No - [MAK], [CMcC], [A/AK], [SS], [MC], ...) 1. Should Wikit provide duplicate links at the top of the page for some of these things that are provided at the bottom of the page? (Yes - [RA], ...) / (No - [CMcC], [SS], [RS], [MC], ...) / (Yes-optional - [A/AK], [MAK]) 1. Should the person actually answering a question be responsible for determing the appropriate place for it? (Yes - [MAK], [CMcC], [A/AK], [SS], [RS], [MC], [RA] / (No - ...) 1. Should Wikit support subpages, automatically-generated heirarchical indexes, etc. like other wikis? (Yes - [RA] ...) / (No - [MC] ...) / (Yes-optional - [CMcC], [A/AK], [SS], [MAK], ...) 1. In lieu of such support, should they be manually implemented in the editable portion of pages? (Yes - [RA], ...) / (No - [MAK], [CMcC], [A/AK], [SS], [MC] ...) 1. Should the Wiki be used like a message board? (Yes - ...) / (No - [MAK], [CMcC], [A/AK], [SS], [RS], [MC], [RA], ...) 1. Should the Wiki software have a feature to add commentary to a page (separate from the page contents, but tacked onto the end when viewed, like you see in the [php] online manual, etc.)? (Yes - [MAK], [CMcC], [A/AK], [SS], [RS], [RA] ...) / (No - ...) 1. Should Wikit allow you to preview a page before committing changes? (Yes - [MAK], [A/AK], [SS], [MC], ...) / (No - [CMcC], [RA] ...) 1. Should the Wiki have a companion message board, or is news://comp.lang.tcl enough? (Yes - ...) / (No/comp.lang.tcl - [MAK], ...) 1. Should answered questions coming from Ask and '''it''' shall be given bear a different title than pages on the wiki? Like for example a prefix such as "Q&A" or "Answered Questions on ..." as Peter Newman has done in his system? (Yes - ...) / (No - [RA], ...) 1. Should we keep the current categorization system: a category name at the bottom of the page and the reverse search executed when we click on the title of a page? [Yes - [Robert Abitbol], ...) / (No - ...) 1. Anything else? ----- [GPS]: A message board might be useful as a companion to the Tcl'ers Wiki and the Tcl'ers Chat. The *golden nuggets* of information could be preserved on the wiki, in a hopefully easier format to navigate. Tracking many conversations is just too painful without a more structured display. As an alternative we could have a standard response of "use news://comp.lang.tcl instead," and pull in the good posts from there (as CL and others already do). [RA] I agree,. This is an excellent idea. ---- [RS] The recent rush in low-info page creation disappointed me. We had a tradition for years that, for instance, people having a question about [grid] just put it at bottom of that page, and some or more helpful souls answered it right there. Seems better to me than adding a hierarchy of not-always-obvious concepts on top of precise questions. ---- [LES]: I don't understand the [[comments]] question. The absolute majority of wikit's pages are but a long series of comments. Does this proposal mean comments on the comments??! Or a "read-only" section segregated from an editable section?!! Or what? (Yes - [MAK]) [RA] See http:usemod.org. It has a similar feature. ---- [http://www.gulfcoasttechnology.org/images/explosion.jpg] One should not rush to solutions before understanding the problem [RA] Indeed! And one should not find solutions before finding problems! :-)