"Create, Read, Update, and Delete"
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRUD_%28acronym%29]


[[Tcl does fine, but doesn't really compete.
Explain much more context.]]

[RLH] I think in a bigger sense you see the "other" [web] [framework]s that create CRUD applications pretty much on-the-fly. Scaffolding and such seems the rage now days.

[LV] What's an example of such a framework? Are we talking about things like Excel?
Remember to compare "apples" to "apples" - Tcl isn't a web framework. Tcl+some extensions would equate to a web framework.

[RLH] Yes we are talking web frameworks. Or at least I was. [Python], [Perl], [PHP] and [Ruby] all have this.

[LV] I don't know those communities - do you have any specific examples for one (or more) of these in mind?

[RLH] These are some of the things to look at if you want to see what is out there:

   * (Ruby)  Rails:  http://www.rubyonrails.org/
   * (Perl) Catalyst: http://www.catalystframework.org/ or Jifty: http://jifty.org/view/HomePage  or CGI::Application: http://cgiapp.erlbaum.net/
   * (Python) TurboGears: http://www.turbogears.org/ or Django: http://www.djangoproject.com/
   * (Java) Groovy: http://groovy.codehaus.org/ and Grails: http://grails.codehaus.org/
 
A lot of them integrate some kind of [Ajax] stuff as well as creating scaffolding for getting the most common things done quickly. Some are not so flexible (Rails) while other (like TurboGears and Catalyst) are super flexible but they all make doing web application programming "easier" to some extent.

Anyone have a suggested set of Tcl [extension]s that would make Tcl into something equivalent? Perhaps [ActiveTcl]'s set of extensions?

[RS]: Looking at Wikipedia about CRUD, it looks like [sqlite] fills the description best. Or even a simpler mechanism, where the crud is written to a text file in Tcl format, and loaded with [source]...

[schlenk] For a basic set of extensions for something like this, you need a) a database abstraction layer, see [Comparing Tcl database abstraction layers] for a large list, b) an OO extension, probably XOTcl and a templating framework, for example the one built into tclhttpd, expand, or rivet's templates.

[RLH] Actually I would go with Snit because it is pure Tcl. However, the big thing is to put it all together as seamlessly as possible and as neat as possible so people outside of Tcl will say that is cool and want to learn it (which is what happened with Rails and Ruby). 

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