''Old discussion (Jan 12-16, 2004) can be found in the history archive at [http://mini.net/tclhist/10684.58] or [http://mini.net/revhist.cgi/10684.58].'' ---- Page reboot. Let's try again: * this wiki needs a new front page (wiki.tcl.tk & mini.net/tcl) * that front page needs a page structure * and it needs a choice of pages to link to Suggestion #1: look at http://www.perl.org as example. Suggestion #2: focus on essentials, since all linked-to pages can be improved at will. End of May 2004, I'll switch to a fixed page. Preferably based on ideas added to this page. Current plans are towards this mockup [http://mini.net/tcl/wikitry6.html], with bold lines being links to wiki pages, as well as the left hand items. No fancy stuff. All images slapped together for lack of better so far. -[jcw] ---- [LV] On May 19, 2004, 8:30 EDT, the wikitry6 web page comes up as not foundd. ---- [LES] I don't like that menu stealing screen. I really like the current wide cinemascope look. Also, note that the fonts in the mockup are smaller. Please read this [http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1065122&postcount=4]. Look for the word "cram". I really resent this modern tendency to narrow spaces and reduce fonts. ''??? Please explain. This is only about the '''front''' page of this wiki... -[jcw]'' Oh. I had missed that detail. Sorry. ''No prob. Anyway, what I'm hoping for is input on the contents of this thing. We're all way too techie to ever reach concensus on looks, feel, or taste, so I'm not even going to aim for that... -[jcw]'' It works for me (but then, I contributed to the design :-)). One thing to consider - we don't give prominence to Tk at all. Is it worth considering a "What is Tk" section under the "What is Tcl?" Something like ... Tk is a graphical toolkit for Tcl. It allows you to develop graphical applications that can run across multiple platforms such as Windows, Linux, MacOSX and many others. Or would this be diluting the message? - [stevel] [RS] The page is much tidier than the current, indeed. Maybe hint at i18n by writing "..on a wide variety of ''international'' platforms"? And, the rules will be twelve from 8.5, so "a dozen" might be a more robust way of writing... ''Steve, RS - Done, thx. -[jcw]'' ---- [jcw] - I've added links to the mockup, which is starting to no longer be one [http://mini.net/tcl/index.html]. Many of these links point to pages which fit in very awkwardly. Assistance is requested on: * suggesting changes in structure and phrases/terms used * suggesting better pages to link to * creating completely new pages for some of these links instead ---- 19may2004 [jcw] - After a quick jam session with some people on the chat, the opening page links have been quickly adjusted and improved. So much so, that I decided to switch to the new front page right away. See http://wiki.tcl.tk/ and http://mini.net/tcl/ for the emperor's new clothes, I mean the new default home page. I hope this is ok with everyone and welcome further suggestions for other phrases and/or link choices. ---- [davidw] - very nice indeed! Thanks! ---- [zlm] This is much better. I don't like the typeface used for the "Tcl" image, it looks old and boring. Can someone persuade a graphic designer to do some artwork? Also the feather logo looks like it was shrunk from a larger image, the lettering is almost unreadable. And I really think that Tcl needs a cute mascot, we can do beter than an ugly snake. ---- 19may2004 [adavis] - I'd like to have a link to the wikidiff on the front page. [jcw] - Ah, good idea - either [http://mini.net/revhist.cgi] (see [http://mini.net/tcl/11426]) or [WikiDiff], which seems more practical for day to day visits. I hope Pascal [PS] will find a spare moment to help make that work on this site, then I'll be happy to add it to the sidebar. ---- [WJR] - Nice. My comments: 1. Can a font consistent with the interior pages be used? 1. The Tcl graphic should probably match the style used in the Tcl/Tk logo. ''[jcw] - I'll look at fonts once the page content is more or less stable (i.e. soon), can probably easily fix this. As for the Tcl graphic - graphics design is not my forte, I'd be happy to include another design - as I said, I took what I had available to me.'' [WJR] - I wonder who does the graphic design work for [Activestate]'s Tcl toolsets? The designs are very nice - perhaps they would be willing to contribute some work. ---- [lv] Early on this page, someone mentions looking at perl.org for an idea. But when I look at that web site, what I see is a portal to various other web sites, with a lesser amount of actual content. 17 of the 69 links on that page relate to www.perl.org. The rest are pointers to the rest of the perl community, sponsers, etc. When you start visiting the secondary references, you see a variety of presentations, including things like this wiki's front page. Do we, perhaps, need to think about such a seperation - where the front page collects information about Tcl in general, referencing the various web sites and possible sponsers for the wiki? ''That role seems to me better given to www.tcl.tk - this is '''just''' the wiki, not the center of the Tcl universe -[jcw]'' [LV] That's good to know - that we are not aiming at providing a Tcl portal here. The goal is to stream line a user's introduction to the info on this web site - not necessarily to be the world's introduction to Tcl itself. [NEM] Regarding www.tcl.tk, I was working on a revamp of the front page for there, which you can see at http://mod3.net/~nem/www.tcl.tk/ . It needs some work, and comments would be useful. This is a separate effort to revamping the wiki front page though, so email comments directly to me. ---- 2004-05-19 [Michael Heca] Very nice. Can be search box or link to search page on front page? [SM] I like this! It looks great!!! ---- [Category Tcler's Wiki]