---- [CL] writes on news:comp.lang.tcl: "... The Expect (as a language) we commonly learn is an abbreviation of the platonic Expect in which we can most portably write. The true action pair is exp_send $challenge expect $response rather than send $challenge expect $response As a convenience, base Expect includes several synonyms, of which {exp_send,send} is one example. When working with an extended Tcl, such as Tk, it's often necessary to project back to the canonical command forms, specifically to resolve name conflicts (Tk has its own [send]). If Expect had been written for ten-year-old Tcl, rather than being the first extension ever discovered, it of course would rely on namespaces to avoid name conflicts. [D. J. Hagberg] rightly writes, "Here's the BIG RULE for Expect: Every exp_spawn requires a call to exp_close *and* exp_wait." Some of the people who have stumbled on Expect in the year 2001 would actually be better served by [ssh] or such protocol packages from [tcllib] as [ftp], [http], [smtp], ... [CL] especially emphasizes that there are many jobs--FTP [http://phaseit.net/claird/comp.unix.programmer/ftp_automation.html] and e-mail automation, especially--for which Expect is generally '''not''' the best tool. For those who insist, though, [w3m] provides a nice model of what's possible with standard command-line utilities for these protocols. [Stubsification of Expect] [CL] recently mentioned on comp.lang.tcl that expect has a $HOME/.expectrc file that can be used to predefine procs, variables, etc. that one uses regularly. [[CL needs to explain inband_ftp, Expect philosophy, and vivid '''cat'''-based example. Also, how to handle sensitive information (passwords) embedded in plain-text Expect scripts.]] Expect's old. Expect disappoints and frustrates some newcomers, because it's done well in the style of 1992-1994. With PHP, for example, if you have a question or a need for explanation, you're likely to find http://www.php.net/ rewarding. That's not how Expect is managed, at least not now (mid-2002). Expect's high-level aim is that, "It's in the book" ([BOOK Exploring Expect]) accurately answers all questions. The book is really quite marvelous as both introduction and reference--but its style might strike some readers as archaic and inaccessible, at least until they shift to accept the approach that was the best in computing about a decade ago. This is [CL]'s personal view. ---- [Category Expect]