[D. McC] 2009 Jan 25:  Some people actually seem to prefer the [GTK]2 look to anything you can get with [Tk], even in 8.5. I don't for the most part, but I've got to admit I've never seen anything in Tk that looks as cool as the bubbly blue buttons and bars of the GTK2 Stardust theme. I've tried [gnocl], which picked up on the Stardust theme right away—but, at least on first impression, I am ''not'' too favorably impressed by [gnocl]'s functionality or ease of use compared to Tk. So ... I was just wondering whether anyone has developed, or is developing, or might conceivably develop, a Stardust-like theme for the easy-to-use and highly functional [Ttk] widgets. Yes? Please?!

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[NEM] 2009-01-26: You could try [TileGTK].

[D. McC] 2009 Jan 28: No, I couldn't, until I see some documentation explaining how to use it. I downloaded the [TileGTK] 0.2 tarball and all I got was one shared object, a package index, and one Tcl script, no documentation. I don't see any documentation online, either. Am I missing something?

[NEM] Fair enough. I'll add an example to the [TileGTK] page to show you how to use it.

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[WJG] (26-Jan-09) On your comments on Gnocl. Its good to hear that you are favorably (thought not excessively) impressed by Gnocl functionality. Gnocl is not a Tk look-alike. As it implements a Gtk/Gnome interface inevitably commands and options will reflect those Gtk library calls they provide access to, something which will cause some surprises for those committed to Tk. In terms of ease of use, its just as easy or difficult as any other Tcl package. Gnocl is a complex [package], sure, and takes some time to adjust to, just like Tk. But, of course, it is totally Gtk+ compliant.

[D. McC] 2009 Jan 28: I'm favorably impressed by ''some'' of [gnocl]'s functionality. I can get used to the rather different geometry management. I can live with the less exhaustive documentation, as long as it gives me at least some hint of how to do things. One thing I can't live with, though, is a three-line text widget that won't let me specify a different size! When I try, I get an error message saying "-height" and "-width" aren't valid configuration options for a [gnocl] text widget. When I look at the documentation, I draw a blank about how to tell a text widget how big to be. If you, or anyone, can tell me how to do this, I'll give [gnocl] a more thorough look. If not, I won't, because I need a text widget about 20 lines high, not three lines, for a project I'm working on (right now employing easy-to-use, highly functional, and well-documented Tk and Ttk widgets).

[WJG] (29-Jan-09) You have a valid point. The GtkTextView does not have a property which sets a default height for the widget and there is a lot of emails on the various developer sites on the matter. I'm sure that its not insurmountable but not a straighforward fix. The way Gtk handles inheritance is where the key lies. I presume that you have set the window paramters to prevent resizing? If so, this set the window to a size based on the default widget height. Until I have found a way around this and directly implement a height/widget request for the widget the best route is to use relative proportions. Take a quick look at the sample below for some ideas.
 
 #!/bin/sh
 # the next line restarts using tclsh \
 exec tclsh "$0" "$@"

 package require Gnocl

 # gives as default height of 5 lines
 set txt1 [gnocl::text]
 set win1 [gnocl::window -title win1 -child $txt1]

 # create a new window and set
 set box1 [gnocl::box -orientation vertical]

 set lab1 [gnocl::label -text "Some Stuff Goes Here!"]
 set lab2 [gnocl::label -text "More Stuff Goes Here!"] 

 set txt2 [gnocl::text -scrollbar always]

 $box1 add $lab1 -fill {1 0}
 $box1 add $txt2 -fill {1 0.85}  -expand 1
 $box1 add $lab2 -fill {1 0}

 for {set i 0} {$i < 20} {incr i} {
        $txt2 insert end "$i\n"
 }

 set win2 [gnocl::window -title win2 -child $box1 -defaultHeight 400 -defaultWidth 500 -resizable 0]

 # create a new window and set
 set box2 [gnocl::box -orientation vertical]

 set lab3 [gnocl::label -text "Some Stuff Goes Here!"]
 set lab4 [gnocl::label -text "More Stuff Goes Here!"]

 set txt3 [gnocl::text -scrollbar always]

 $box2 add $lab3 -fill {1 0}
 $box2 add $txt3 -fill {1 0.85}  -expand 1
 $box2 add $lab4 -fill {1 0}

 for {set i 0} {$i < 20} {incr i} {
        $txt3 insert end "$i\n"
 }

 set win3 [gnocl::window -title win3 -child $box2 -defaultHeight 400 -defaultWidth 500 -resizable 1]


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