Tcl works. I like that. Life is too short. I want to make stuff. I have 1 kid, 2 infants and no time. I am not a Tcl Advocate. I am not a Tcl booster. I will drop Tcl when something better comes along. Nothing better has come along yet (8 years and counting). I want to build stuff. I don't care about feature-rich GUIs because feature-rich GUIs aren't about getting stuff done. The user needs tools to focus on the task at hand. I don't need a native spin widget. I want to provide useful intuitive apps and I don't have much time. [Street Programming] is my mode. [http://www.calder.org/] is my inspiration. [http://www.bonnydoonvineyard.com/rg_intro.html] is my model. One day I will build an application that will allow me to complete [http://www.maplefish.com/todd/papers/Experiences.html] (since many people have asked me when it will be done). One day I will release an extremely useful application that will bring joy to non-programmers, adventurous souls, demented individuals, parents and children. It will (most likely) be coded in Tcl and released as a single executable (no install wizard). Nobody (but programmers) will care that it was coded in Tcl. I'm done with language wars. I'm done with computer science. I'm done with language design. Tcl isn't the most elegant tool in the shop, but Alexander Calder worked wonders with scraps of metal, wire and some rivets. -- [Todd Coram] ''Feeling oddly philosophical, although I doubt anyone cares ;-)'' ---- [jcw] - I do. I agree. 100%. - ''Although I doubt anyone else cares ;-)'' ---- [RS] cares and agrees fully, too. ---- [FW] agree with [RS] ;) (recursive agreements!) - well, except that Tcl isn't the most elegant tool in the shop. I think it is.