[TR] - If you are tired of coding Tcl at times, get inspiration here. Listen to the compressed knowledge of the Tcl community and reread famous Quotes Of The Week. Some of them are here ... '''4 Feb 2002''' "And it should be on Tristan Da Cunha, to make it equally inac- cessible to all hemicephalians. I'll present a paper in pig-latin on a pig-latin to Tcl converter written in pig-latin that converts itself to Tcl when sourced by a Tcl interpreter. Richard gave me the idea." Phil Ehrens "How could I read the .ps file on windows?" "Install Linux?" response from Don Porter "I'm not entirely convinced that Swing makes programming large/complex GUIs any easier. I might concede that it makes programming insane small details in *every* instance of *every* widget/component possible (in fact, hard to avoid)." Neil Madden "Think of the TclKit binary as an advanced VM. I can't emphasise enough how great this idea is. This is the 'write once, run everywhere' promise of Java, but sooo, sooo much better!" Neil Madden "A year or so a go I did a quick one-off cgi web app with tclkit. It's still used today internally for all of Sun's US & Canada field service dispatch & scheduling. Took a couple weekends. Folks are talking about 3-6 months to rewrite it in Java..." D. J. Hagberg "Due to my 4 minute clock skew on my machine here David actually answered my post 2 minutes before I even asked the question ... now that is tech support for you !!!" R.D. Finlay "Right now anybody could be a CA with a suitable tool. Can I allow Enron to be my CA?" Chang Li "People hate what they don't understand." jooky '''30 Jan 2002''' "Applying computer technology is simply finding the right wrench to pound in the correct screw!" Anonymous "Scotty is as 'commercial quality' as it gets." Ashwin Baskaran "Isn't it amazing what you can get from crufty, cryptic, and inapplicable Perl code once you translate it to Tcl?" Peter Lewerin "It appeals to me for the same reasons as perl - I can quickly get something together that works, then spend some time making it better/faster/shorter." James Quinby "I don't have anything against Java - it's the best damn implementation of UCSD Pascal ever released..." Larry Smith "I personally see a lot of power in mixing technologies together." David Gravereaux "I must admit that I never understood this whole-is-more-than-sum-of-parts business. In math I learned that '+' can mean a lot of things." Harald Kirsch "Just think of C++ and it can mean anything." Larry Smith "I vehemently DON'T think of C++." Arjen Markus '''22 Jan 2002''' "Donal K. Fellows" wrote: > rand mair fheal wrote: > > kids these days > > grumble grumble grumble > > when i was young i had to punch my cards by hand > > Not my fault I was born after the invention of fire... :^) "Oh yes. I remember in the old days before fire. Things got a bit nippy in northern climates. Then one day, this fellow from Ireland - Frank I believe his name was, came along with this idea to somehow create a way to capture the warmth from that large glowing ball in the sky. He was talking about it on the Wiki chat room, Kevin Kenny and Cameron bounced the idea around, wrote a small simulation in Tcl/Tk, and passed the info along to a couple of engineers who implemented a fire starter..." Larry Virden [http://groups.google.com/groups?th=b249ebabccefb3c5&seekm=a28s8b%24kmu%242%40srv38.cas.org#link11] "[C]ode ... *always* lives longer than you think it will." Bryan Oakley 15 Jan 2002 "The first thing any windows user should do when they start up a windows machine for the first time is to install vnc ..." Larry Smith "I think expect is the best "foot in the sysadmin door". Leam Hall [http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6c5ed7dc.0201100518.32cf2431%40posting.google.com] "...but IMHO you'd be quite right to avoid alpha code. Even though Tcl's alphas are typically better than most software's patch releases..." Donal Fellows [http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3C39B903.F4FE18A1%40cs.man.ac.uk] '''7 Jan 2002''' "Once you get it, sockets in tcl are so simple (try any of this at the C level and it is unbelievable how hard it is to do these simple things)" Bruce Hartweg [http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=e6jZ7.281%245Y4.6325%40news.cpqcorp.net] "Whenever I bring up Tcl as a potential tool, there is little opinion expressed (positive or negative) until I show them what Tcl can do. Then, it's all smiles and nods." Todd Coram [http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6a530e7d.0201050640.4cebafe9%40posting.google.com] "Tcl: Its a tool, not a celebrity." Todd Coram '''1 Jan 2002''' "Well, once you get past the badly written configure/make for the package [TclCurl], it's so darn sweet it'll give you toothache." Phil Ehrens [http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=a0dnf4%244nm%40gap.cco.caltech.edu] "[W]hen you're wondering how much of a difference it really makes, try it out!" Ken Jones, noted Tcl trainer '''24 Dec 2001''' "There's going to be an interesting lurch in the Linux community when one of these big guys [[from these multibillion-dollar companies]] eventually decides they want to check something into the Linux kernel that Linus thinks is really stupid." James Gosling, *Linux Magazine*, January 2002 '''18 Dec 2001''' "Needless to say with all of 2 weeks Tcl/Tk experience under my belt I love it and am also amazed at how few people 'on the street' seem to have heard of it. It is by far the easiest programming language I have tried to use, and the most powerful for small applications." Larry Gagnon "In any case, I have to say, Tcl/Tk and its user community (especially the commun ity) is AMAZING and I LOVE IT ;D" unnamed chat-ter "Tcl is simple and straightforward, thinking that way is sometimes hard." Bruce Hartweg '''10 Dec 2001''' "... if my family ever saw [how much free documentation and code I contribute], I would be in big trouble for spending so much time here" several Tcl developers Every time I show someone how to set up a socket listener in Tcl and compare it with what they've learned in C, they are convinced I left something out." Roland B. Roberts "There are rocks less solid than that." Cameron Laird, on Expect http://groups.google.com/groups?th=53aa004a1f5b66e0 '''4 Dec 2001''' "> And, picture yourself standing in the exercise yard of a federal > prison; there are guards with machine guns all around, and big > ugly guys with bad attitudes looking at you and not liking what > they see. And post accordingly. Nah, that's comp.lang.perl. This group is more like a school playground where the place is filled with kids who see gems when other people only see rocks, and everyone shares in the magic of a found treasure even if it's really just something a grown-up threw away. And when they find something that truly is junk it is just thrown away with a laugh, and a race to find the next cool thing :-)" Bryan Oakley [http://groups.google.com/groups?th=59755e6454ebf2d7] '''26 Nov 2001''' "It reduced my enthusiasm for creating my own company." Guido van Rossum on the Interwoven acquisition of Ajuba Solutions [http://www.linux-mag.com/2001-12/toc.html] '''20 Nov 2001''' "I've only just recently started learning tcl and I'm already falling in love with it, no doubt that this incredibly informative board has had something to do with it." Jonathon Epps "Tcl is an astonishing productivity tool, and Wippler's additions put rocket boots on something that is quite capable of stratospheric flight in its own right." Steve Blinkhorn '''14 Nov 2001''' "I am just learning Tcl/Tk and my first impression is 'where has this been all my life.'" Jim Melton "'Java program' and 'easy to install' just don't go together in the same sentence without a 'NOT' somewhere in there." Joe English '''5 Nov 2001''' "Well they spent the millions on useless tools and years of disappointments and failed projects, but we built our little system ... and it continues [to work today]." James Garrison "The code should serve the GUI rather than the other way around." Bryan Oakley "Tcl is a rich multi-purpose C library with a powerful configuration language." Richard Suchenwirth