[Peter Newman] 8 January 2005 ------------------ [Unified Programming Language]

Cores IMHO, are the root of all evil (in programming languages). So UPL doesn't have one.

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[LV] Define what '''you''' mean by ''core''.  I know some people use the term to be
''the code that is compiled together to create a language''.  Are you saying that one
won't be able to download code that compiles to create UPL?
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Instead, every data type and command/function is a stand-alone, script level programmer selectable entity.

In other words, every programmer can create their own personal programming language - by selecting the data types and commands/functions they want.

These are selected by editing [UPL: The Bootstrap File].
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[DKF]: You have to have ''some'' core because that core is responsible for the bootstrap process.
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[Peter Newman] Yeah you're right. Also I suppose the API between different components can be be considered part of the ''core'' too. But note that '''NO scripting language data types or functions/commands are part of the core'''. That's the important thing.

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[aricb] Peter, this idea that "the core is the root of all evil" seems to be one of your main motivations for proposing UPL.  But I have yet to see a convincing argument for this position.   The two complaints I seem to remember hearing from you are: the core is too big, and the core is too complex because different parts of the core are too interdependent.  I suppose these are matters of taste, but I don't see how the current proposal for UPL resolves either of these concerns.  Okay, UPL has a minimal core, but somewhere in there is code to implement every programming language known to mankind.  These pieces may or may not be interdependent, but on one or the other level there is going to be a lot of redundancy, which implies complexity of a different kind and a size a few orders of magnitude greater than the Tcl core will ever reach.  Even if all I want out of UPL is Tcl, I can't imagine that the end result (UPL minimal core + TCL module + whatever else it takes to make it run) will be smaller than today's Tcl.

Maybe this is an unfair assessment of your position on the core and/or I'm missing something key about UPL.  If so, can you explain why the core is the root of all evil and how UPL fixes it?

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