Version 18 of frame

Updated 2016-10-31 11:42:14 by oehhar

http://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl8.5/TkCmd/frame.htm


Jeffrey Hobbs has written, "The whole container/use idea is nice, but was only pushed far enough to enable embedding Tk into Netscape/IE. There are definite problems with handling focus and message passing ..."

So I guess it is up to the Tk community to jump in and improve this capability? Let's use "Combining GUI applications developed with Tk and 'native' Windows toolkits" as a home for such progress.


Size managed by grid/pack

One of the purposes of frame-like widgets (frame, ttk::frame, ttk::labelframe) is to contain other widgets by the use of the pack or grid geometry manager.

The requested size of the frame is set by grid/pack if "grid/pack propagate" is on:

% pack [frame .f]
% winfo reqheight .f
1
% pack [entry .f.e]
% winfo reqheight .f
19

An eventual <<Configure>> event on .f would fire.

Now with propagation off:

% pack [frame .f]
% pack propagate .f 0
% winfo reqheight .f
1
% pack [entry .f.e]
% winfo reqheight .f
1

An eventual <<Configure>> event on .f would not fire.

There is one exception: when the last children is onpacked/gridded, the frame is not resized, see below.


Frame does not shrink to 1 height if last children is unpacked/ungridded

HaO 2016-09-07: (issue is present with pack and grid and with frame, ttk::frame and ttk::labelframe)

Giving a frame with two children:

% pack [frame .f -height 1]
% winfo reqheight .f
1
% pack [entry .f.e1] [entry .f.e2]
% winfo reqheight .f
38

When on children is unpacked, the frame resizes to the size required by the other children:

% pack forget .f.e1
% winfo reqheight .f
19

When the last children is unpacked, the frame does not resize:

% pack forget .f.e2
% winfo reqheight .f
19

-> The frame keeps the size of the entry widget.

To avoid this effect, there are two solutions on clt (Thread "frame auto resize to 0 if forgetting packed subwidget", date 2016-09-05):

Solution 1: pack an invisible frame

bll: Just pack a dummy frame in the collapsing frame:

pack [frame .f] [frame .f.d]
pack [entry .f.e1] [entry .f.e2]

Solution 2: set -height of the frame to 1

Alexandru Dadalau I use the -height property in order to shrink the frame back after the "pack forget".

pack forget .f.e2
.f configure -height 1

This works without a dummy widget but shows a frame of height 1.

Explanation by Joe English on CLT

Frame widgets normally don't request a size of their own, to avoid fighting with the geometry manager if they contain slaves (which is the normal case). But if the last slave is removed, the geometry manager no longer controls the size of the master and makes no further size requests.

So with nobody making size requests for the frame, it'll just stay at whatever size it happens to be at the time, until something else triggers geometry propagation, such as the user explicitly configuring a (nonzero) -width or -height, or adding a new slave window.

> What is the purpose of this behaviour ? Bug or feature ?

I suspect it's just how things work; this seems like a corner case that was probably never considered and for which there's no obvious right answer.

TIP and solutions

TIP 454 proposes advanced solutions for this issue: