http://purl.org/tcl/home/man/tcl8.4/TkCmd/toplevel.htm ---- [DKF] notes that, "toplevels on UNIX/X are really a collection of several windows; the window you draw on (which is what [winfo id] will tell you), another window for a menubar (if you've installed one) and a third one to contain the other two. If you do 'xwininfo -tree' you should be able to find out what's *really* going on." ---- [Martin Lemburg]: How can I detect if a widget is a toplevel? If I ask a widget for its class, this will fail e.g. at the root widget, because it doesn't return "Toplevel", but "Wish83". And toplevels could be given a class differing from "Toplevel" during their creation. So ... how can I detect a toplevel? ---- [IDG] [winfo toplevel .] returns . whereas [winfo toplevel .someothertoplevel] returns .someothertoplevel ---- ''[MGS]'' - In other words: proc istoplevel {W} { return [string equal [winfo toplevel $W] $W] } ''[MGS]'' [[2003/05/08]] - Actually, does a menu count as a toplevel? Probably not (in some cases). SO how about this? Toplevels can have a -menu option ... proc isToplevel {W} { return [expr {[string equal [winfo toplevel $W] $W] && ![catch {$W cget -menu}]}] } ---- [Category Widget] | [Category Command] | [Tk syntax help] | [Arts and Crafts of Tcl-Tk Programming]