http://purl.org/tcl/home/man/tcl8.4/TkCmd/toplevel.htm ---- [DKF] notes that, "toplevels on UNIX/X are really a collection of several windows; the window you draw on (which is what [winfo id] will tell you), another window for a menubar (if you've installed one) and a third one to contain the other two. If you do 'xwininfo -tree' you should be able to find out what's *really* going on." ---- [Tk syntax help] - [Arts and crafts of Tcl-Tk programming]