'''comp.lang.tcl''', also known as '''clt''' or '''c.l.t''', is a [Usenet] group whose topic is [Tcl]
[RS]: A note to other contributors: references to this newsgroup are marked up
as live links by Wiki if they appear in the form news:comp.lang.tcl (RS)
** Comments **
[Bryan Oakley] 2001-11-23, wrote on c.l.t: ''This group is more like a school
playground where the place is filled with kids who see gems when other people
only see rocks, and everyone shares in the magic of a found treasure even if
it's really just something a grown-up threw away. And when they find something
that truly is junk it is just thrown away with a laugh, and a race to find the
next cool thing :-)''
** Resources **
[Usenet]: This wiki page has references (under [http://wiki.tcl.tk/155#pagetoc260fd758%|%Servers]) to several NNTP servers that can be used to provide access to comp.lang.tcl.
[https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.lang.tcl%|%comp.lang.tcl at groups.google.com]: This is a (presumably) complete archive of the group, and allows replying to messages and posting new mesages, though the interface for posting and how it formats messages are less than ideal.
''since 22/02/2024, Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. But Historical content remains viewable.''
[https://newsgrouper.org.uk/comp.lang.tcl%|%Newsgrouper]: A free web interface to comp.lang.tcl and other Usenet groups.
** See Also **
[Effective ways to request help with Tcl-related problems]:
[noteworthy off-topic postings to c.l.t]:
[How to read answers posted on the comp.lang.tcl newsgroup]:
[NNTP]:
[http://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.tcl/z_WbWwY-XbE/CfOU_LClm3oJ%|%Tcl and comp.lang.tcl 'First Posts' on Google], [Tom Poindexter], 2001-12-12: Tom describes some of the history of the newsgroup
[http://groups.google.com/groups?q=init.tcl&hl=en&scoring=d&as_drrb=b&as_mind=1&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=1&as_maxm=1&as_maxy=1992&rnum=6&selm=csm-v25i069%3Dtcl.142226%40sparky.IMD.Sterling.COM]: [LV]: I will add one - here's the first appearance of the Tcl source code on usenet!. (This link doesn't work anymore. Anyone have a good link?)
[Dirty Dozen]:
** comp.lang.tcl.announce **
There was a second [usenet] newsgroup titled comp.lang.tcl.announce, which was removed by the Big-8 Management Board (which controls the "official" [usenet] groups) in 2010 as the moderator had been uncontactable for years (see below). There is an archive at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.lang.tcl.announce. The formal removal process is detailed in the most recent thread.
<<discussion>>Old discussion of comp.lang.tcl.announce
There is a second [usenet] newsgroup titled news:comp.lang.tcl.announce, which
has a web forum interface at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tcl_announce. This
is a moderated group specializing in new Tcl related release announcments by
anyone. Announcements can concern conferences, workshops, software, books,
articles, etc. However, the moderator has been unavailable for quite some
time, and now yahoo has even removed the archives. So someone interested in
becoming the moderator should probably contact the Usenet Cabal to determine
how best to proceed.
[Kroc] 2005-09-02: I tried 3 news servers with thunderbird,
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.tcl.announce and
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tcl_announce/ and I saw comp.lang.tcl.announce
hasn't received any new post since 31 May 2005 while I expected at least '''Dr.
Dobb's Tcl-URL! - weekly Tcl news and links'''! Anyone could confirm if this
newsgroup is still active or not?
[LV]: I have been unsuccessful in contacting the moderator of
comp.lang.tcl.announce. He has, on a regular basis, had periods of non-posting
for long periods of time. So I don't know if this is a '''busy''' period for
him, or if something more serious has occurred.
[LV] 2006-02-09: I continue to be unsuccessful in a) contacting the moderator
and b) getting yahoogroups to respond to my queries about opening the
tcl_announce group up to a new moderator. Anyone know the steps on usenet to
declare a new moderator? And anyone know someone willing to act as moderator?
Alas, the moderator of comp.lang.tcl.announce appears to have disappeared over
the past few years, and attempts, to date, to get someone to take over that
task have failed.
<<discussion>>
** Other Tcl Newsgroups **
Descriptions followed by ? have to be checked
[fa.macintosh.tcl]: Norway - Mac relative ?
[fa.tcl-users]: Norway ?
[fido7.mo.tcl]: Moldavia ?
[fido7.ru.tcl]: Russia ?
[http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=fr&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=fj.comp.lang.tcl%|%fj.comp.lang.tcl]: Fiji / Japan ?
[http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=fr&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=fr.comp.lang.tcl%|%fr.comp.lang.tcl]: France
[http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&num=25&hl=fr&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=han.comp.lang.tcltk%|%han.comp.lang.tcltk]: Korea ?
[pl.comp.lang.tcl : [http://groups.google.com/group/pl.comp.lang.tcl?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8%|%pl.comp.lang.tcl]: Poland
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[LV]: I'm relatively certain that the Macintosh tcl newsgroup references are not
to our own Tcl Command Language [Tcl], but instead to a C/C++ product that was
(is?) available on the Mac platform.
** Etiquette **
Not the place for binaries.
One of the cardinal rules, though, of newsgroups is relevancy. If your posting
- whatever the topic - is not relevant to Tcl and/or one of its extensions or
applications, then it probably belongs elsewhere.
Keep the signal-to-noise ratio high: avoid 'lots of references/updates/etc. on
a daily (or even weekly) basis.
Double, triple, quadruple-check every bit of code that will be posted.
Recently, [Cameron Laird] wrote regarding a wish for usenet posters:
: ".... One of the most important things for junior programmers to learn is that top coders know how to test and automate, and expect to do both these things at all opportunities. I'm inclined to take Donal at his word, and believe that he makes no fewer errors than others, and quite possibly more. However, he's quite good at verifying his own work.
: If we could somehow teach a fraction of that to incoming Usenet posters ... well, the world would be a different place."
comp.lang.tcl values professionalism. [Larry Virden] recently wrote in a
newsgroup for some other language:
According to Martien Verbruggen <[email protected]>:
:On Thu, 04 Jan 2001 01:29:53 GMT,
: John Hall <[email protected]> wrote:
:> I see a lot of "you work stupid" and "RTFM" on this list.
:
:Mostly when it is deserved.
Treating someone poorly, regardless of their inappropriate behavior, seldom
converts them to one's point of view. It creates barriers, and in all
likelihood burns bridges which, one day, one may regret having burned (imagine
if you will finding yourself across the hiring desk from someone that you might
have treated that way...)
That being said, concise, accurate, and pointed responses are also valued, even
when they sometimes seem a bit brusque.
Avoid mentioning the mentioning one or a few specific solutions in almost every
posting, unless those are the only or uncontroverted best solutions.
Serious and well-considered employer announcements are currently considered
acceptable, but that may change with the volume of postings. The should be
clearly marked as such in the subject.
** History: Google Groups Outage, 2007-01 **
This section remains for historical purposes, and to point the way if something
similar ever happens again.
[LV] 2007-01-11: this morning when I visit the google groups comp.lang.tcl
group, I see no postings past Jan 9th. I don't recall whether I saw anything
newer yesterday.
However, just wanted to give others a heads up that something might be wrong.
Same here, no updates on http://groups.google.co.uk/group/comp.lang.tcl since
Jan 9. Other google usenet groups I checked seem to be getting updates, and
when I checked another news server from home last night it had more recent
comp.lang.tcl postings - can't access that from work though [Colin Macleod].
[AM]: 2007-01-11: There was a maintenance update the other day, but since then
I have not seen any updates of the postings. ''(Maintenance update to what?)''
2007-01-11: FWIW, the news server news.chi.sbcglobal.net has no postings since
around noon central time on January 10, 2007. This, for nearly all newsgroups
except sbcglobal.* (based on very limited spot checking). Very odd.
[EMJ]: It is annoying if your only accessible view of a newsgroup is not
up-to-date, but since message propagation is inherently decentralized and
asynchronous, pure randomness may be enough to explain it. And if not, local
policies or problems (server or "nearby" network components) are the most
likely cause. Google often seems to ignore groups for extended periods, quite
possibly something to do with the way incoming messages are integrated into the
Google archive.
[LV]: The google site appears to continue to have problems with a subset of
groups for the third straight day. I'm unable to locate a free nntp server.
Given that I suspect google has become the primary method of accessing
comp.lang.tcl, unless something happens shortly, we may have lost that
newsgroup as well.
[LV] 2007-01-12: Apparently someone at google groups noticed our problem with
comp.lang.tcl (I know '''I''' emailed them several times about it). I am this
sfternoon seeing articles appear on the newsgroup. Now if we could do something
about comp.lang.tcl.announce :-( ...
** Historical **
comp.lang.tcl has in the past been available at the following URL's:
[http://www.deja.com/group/comp.lang.tcl%|%deja.com]:
[http://www.mailgate.org/comp/comp.lang.tcl/index.html%|%mailgate]:
[http://news.interbulletin.com/%|%interbulletin]:
mirror.utcorp.net: mirrored comp.lang.tcl using [TclNNTPD]
[http://mailandnews.com/%|%mailandnews.com]:
[http://news.banctec.com/comp/thread.php?group=comp.lang.tcl%|%news.banctec.com]:
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