What: TIL
Where: http://til.sf.net/
Description: Tcl ICE Library is a set of Tcl-only libraries and utilities
of general nature. It facilitates development, deployment and
surveillance of tcl distributed apps, suppresses discrepancies between
Unix and windows with regards to administration and deployment,
and demonstrates network-aware simple component design.
Currently at version 1.0 .
Updated: 08/2005
Contact: See web siteschlenk Some parts of it look really useful.
AK And would have looked very good in Tcllib. But no submissions were made. [ SEH Perhaps the TCT ought to consider a policy of inviting submissions rather than just waiting for a possibly clueless developer to figure out that the option to contribute to Tcllib is available and then how to do it. Lars H ??? As far as I know the TCT has no connection with Tcllib (except possibly that some people are involved in both), so there is no reason to ask the TCT for policies regarding Tcllib. ]
LV This would not be the first time someone with a related library contributed it to Tcllib. However, are the licenses compatible?
AK TIL uses Academic Free License v2.1. And I have no idea if that is compatible with BSD or not. Or even if it is recognized as a proper OSS license.
schlenk As far as i have read the license I'm not sure what it really means, its BSD with an advertising clause, but there is one clause in the license which looks GPL'ish..., but only for original work not for derived works..., kind of strange, but as always INAL. Good reading about it here: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/osfreesoft/book/ch02.pdf
Lars H: The "Licensing howto" at [L1 ] describes AFL as the modern (2002) equivalent of BSD (in terms of aims, not necessarily in terms of legal interpretation). Since the guy who wrote it is president of the OSI, it at least seems safe to conclude that it is an opensource license. The book linked to by schlenk above does however point out some odd passages in the AFL... Perhaps it is necessary to start comparing versions of that license.
SEH This combined with The Simple Development Library may add up to one of the most sophisticated development toolsets currently available for scripting/coding anywhere. If only they could get some more visibility, it might be a great boost for Tcl.
LV Best way to get visibility is for the libraries to get used in some awesome applications that demonstrate how useful the libraries are.
SEH Regrettably most Tcl developers know that there's not much relation between the awesomeness of a tool and its visibility, since Tcl itself is an awesome tool, and it's severely under-visible in the software world.
escargo: There's a diagram in this comparison of Ruby on Rails and J2EE [L2 ] that made me wonder what might be comparable in the Tcl world. When it comes to web applications frameworks you have some extreme differences in size between different frameworks [L3 ]. Some of that is due to how easy introspection is for some languages compared to others. I would like to know how Tcl would stand up compared to these others. (It's too bad that the Wafer project disappeared, except for what's in the Wayback Machine [L4 ] and on SourceForge [L5 ].)
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