This is Peter's interface package at . Please have a look! I think we tcler's should adopt this methodology for packages. The following excerpts are taken from CLT.

Here is my initial cry for help where Peter replied with his solution:

I would like to be able to grab a script library/package that could be implemented separately in both Tcl procedures and/or an object- oriented system such as itcl or any other. I'd like to define the interface and then be able to use any package that implements the interface using whatever technology it chooses. I haven't thought through this very much but I think if we can cleanly define an interface, have a standard so that many systems(snit,stoop,...) can be used to implement the interface, with the interface User being able to handle it(these drop in replacements), we will get more libraries of cool SW.

I have wrestled with a file buffer library for a little text editor of mine. It started out as an library of routines to process/manage many open buffers of text. It has lots of functions and was getting unwieldy. I next wrote it in itcl or base parts of it and it was much slicker. I have not taken the time to integrate it into my old system because it was not designed as a drop in replacement, nor was the application. Had I followed some standards I could have easily done this. I suspect we all could get more code in our hands and offload work to others if we some standards out there.


# Example using interface package definition

package require interface

proc ::interfaces::stack-1.0 {option args} {
    set interface stack
    set version 1.0
    switch $option {
        interface {
            # This is an interface defining object, so it supports the interface interface
            # This code will advertise this fact
            if {[llength $arg]} {
                if {[string equal [lindex $args 0] interface]} {
                    return 0.8
                } else {
                    error "::interfaces::$interface-$version does not support interface interface"
            } else {
                return [list interface 0.8]
        doc {
            # return xml documentation
            return $::stackdock
        test {
            # run some tests on an object supposed to support the interface
            set len [llength $args]
            if {$len < 1} {
                error "wrong # args: should be \"interfaces::$interface-$version test object ?options?\""
            set object [lindex $args 0]
            array set opt [lrange $args 1 end]
            # the testleak is needed due to a small bug in the interface::test routine
            set ::interface::testleak 0
            interface::test {interface match} {
                $object interface stack
            } $version
            interface::test {push and pop} {
                $object clear
                $object push 1
                $object pop
            } 1
            interface::test {push, push and pop} {
                $object clear
                $object push 1
                $object push 2
                $object pop
            } 2
            interface::test {stack empty error} {
                $object clear
                $object pop
                $object pop
            } {stack empty} error
            # more test should follow

# implementation of "object" implementing the interface
# this is of course just a test case for demonstrating interfaces,
# and not a real object, nor a good or even reasonable implementation
proc stack1 {option args} {
    global stack1_data
    switch $option {
        clear {
            set stack1_data {}
        push {
            eval lappend stack1_data $args
        pop {
            if {![llength $stack1_data]} {
                error "stack empty"
            set result [lindex $stack1_data end]
            set stack1_data [lrange $stack1_data 0 end-1]
            return $result
        interface {
            set interfaces {stack 1.0 nop 0.0}
            if {[llength $args]} {
                set reqinterface [lindex $args 0]
                foreach {interface version} $interfaces {
                    if {[string equal $reqinterface $interface]} {
                        return $version
                error "stack1 does not support interface $reqinterface"
            } else {
                return $interfaces

# test if stack1 does indeed comply with the stack-1.0 interface

interface test stack-1.0 stack1
# return documentation
interface doc stack-1.0

# It will usually be placed in a file in a doc directory, so it can also be 
# used to generate man pages, etc
set stackdock {
    <manpage package="interface" title="stack_interface" id="stack_interface" cat="stack">
        <desc>description of the stack interface</desc>
        a very simple demonstration interface
        <title>THE STACK INTERFACE</title>
                <command><cmd>objectName</cmd> <method>clear</method></command>
                <desc>clear the stack</desc>
                <command><cmd>objectName</cmd> <method>push</method> <m>value</m> ?<m>value</m> ...?</command>
                <desc>push value(s) on the stack</desc>
                <command><cmd>objectName</cmd> <method>pop</method></command>
                <desc>get values from the stack</desc>

Wow !!! this is exactly what I was thinking of. Looks great !! Would you consider this going into the tcllib ? I see the interface test is not replacing a test package for the implementation object. Since the interface namespace is a separate both implementing procedures and objects can implement it. It is not native inside the OO system so it will work generically for everything. I am not too familiar with XML yet. How would you render this documentation ? Maybe you could add to the demo an implementation in some OO system or ask for others to provide one for their OO system of choice.

  • Of course I would not mind getting this in tcllib, but I have no idea how stuff gets in it.
  • interface test is indeed not a replacement for a test package for the implementation object, but is meant to be used in one. An implementation can support several interfaces, so a typical test package will invoke interface test for all supported interfaces, and maybe add some tests specific to the object.
  • The whole idea of the interface package is indeed to be as generic and implementation agnostic as possbile (cfr. the extremely simplified example)
  • tmml ( ) contains some tools to convert the XML to man pages or html. (I got the CVS version)

art morel

LV: wrote: Stuff gets into tcllib in at least two ways:

  • someone who has written some software signs up to be a developer, talks to the other developers on the tcllib-dev mailing list (to get pointers to guidelines, confirm namespace choices, etc.), and then checks the code, with doc, tests, etc. into the cvs
  • someone who has written some software evangelizes someone who is already a tcllib developer to do the work for them - or at least gets them enthusiastic enough about the package that the newly recruited convert does the work for the software creator.

However, my understanding is that the intent of the tcllib/tklib maintainers is to prevent someone from just including arbitrary code from the internet/wiki/etc. into tcllib. The orignal author needs to be involved in some capacity, including, hopefully, further maintenance. If not that, someone needs to step forward in that capacity.

According to Peter.DeRijk <mailto:[email protected] >:

 - Of course I would not mind getting this in tcllib, but I have no idea
   how stuff gets in it.

Any takers to help get this package to sourceforge then into tcllib?

Lars H: More concretely, one can initiate getting something into tcllib by filing it as an RFE for the tcllib Sourceforge project. However, for anything to go into tcllib it needs documentation or tests, preferably both. The standard documtation format for tcllib is doctools.

That said, I don't get the point of this interface thingie. Is it supposed to be some kind of support for abstract packages (call for a package, and don't worry about what piece of code feels like implementing it), or what? Doesn't package already do that?