Old discussion (Jan 12-16, 2004) can be found in the history archive at [L1 ].
Page reboot. Let's try again:
Suggestion #1: look at http://www.perl.org as example. Suggestion #2: focus on essentials, since all linked-to pages can be improved at will.
End of May 2004, I'll switch to a fixed page. Preferably based on ideas added to this page.
Current plans are towards this mockup [L2 ], with bold lines being links to wiki pages, as well as the left hand items. No fancy stuff. All images slapped together for lack of better so far.
-jcw
LV On May 19, 2004, 8:30 EDT, the wikitry6 web page comes up as not foundd.
LES I don't like that menu stealing screen. I really like the current wide cinemascope look. Also, note that the fonts in the mockup are smaller. Please read this [L3 ]. Look for the word "cram". I really resent this modern tendency to narrow spaces and reduce fonts.
??? Please explain. This is only about the front page of this wiki... -jcw
Oh. I had missed that detail. Sorry.
No prob. Anyway, what I'm hoping for is input on the contents of this thing. We're all way too techie to ever reach concensus on looks, feel, or taste, so I'm not even going to aim for that... -jcw
It works for me (but then, I contributed to the design :-)). One thing to consider - we don't give prominence to Tk at all. Is it worth considering a "What is Tk" section under the "What is Tcl?" Something like ...
Tk is a graphical toolkit for Tcl. It allows you to develop graphical applications that can run across multiple platforms such as Windows, Linux, MacOSX and many others.
Or would this be diluting the message? - stevel
RS The page is much tidier than the current, indeed. Maybe hint at i18n by writing "..on a wide variety of international platforms"? And, the rules will be twelve from 8.5, so "a dozen" might be a more robust way of writing...
Steve, RS - Done, thx. -jcw
jcw - I've added links to the mockup, which is starting to no longer be one [L4 ]. Many of these links point to pages which fit in very awkwardly. Assistance is requested on:
19may2004 jcw - After a quick jam session with some people on the chat, the opening page links have been quickly adjusted and improved. So much so, that I decided to switch to the new front page right away. See http://wiki.tcl.tk/ and http://mini.net/tcl/ for the emperor's new clothes, I mean the new default home page.
I hope this is ok with everyone and welcome further suggestions for other phrases and/or link choices.
davidw - very nice indeed! Thanks!
zlm This is much better. I don't like the typeface used for the "Tcl" image, it looks old and boring. Can someone persuade a graphic designer to do some artwork? Also the feather logo looks like it was shrunk from a larger image, the lettering is almost unreadable. And I really think that Tcl needs a cute mascot, we can do beter than an ugly snake.
19may2004 adavis - I'd like to have a link to the wikidiff on the front page.
jcw - Ah, good idea - either [L5 ] (see [L6 ]) or WikiDiff, which seems more practical for day to day visits. I hope Pascal PS will find a spare moment to help make that work on this site, then I'll be happy to add it to the sidebar.
WJR - Nice. My comments:
jcw - I'll look at fonts once the page content is more or less stable (i.e. soon), can probably easily fix this. As for the Tcl graphic - graphics design is not my forte, I'd be happy to include another design - as I said, I took what I had available to me.
WJR - I wonder who does the graphic design work for Activestate's Tcl toolsets? The designs are very nice - perhaps they would be willing to contribute some work.
lv Early on this page, someone mentions looking at perl.org for an idea. But when I look at that web site, what I see is a portal to various other web sites, with a lesser amount of actual content. 17 of the 69 links on that page relate to www.perl.org. The rest are pointers to the rest of the perl community, sponsers, etc. When you start visiting the secondary references, you see a variety of presentations, including things like this wiki's front page.
Do we, perhaps, need to think about such a seperation - where the front page collects information about Tcl in general, referencing the various web sites and possible sponsers for the wiki?
That role seems to me better given to www.tcl.tk - this is just the wiki, not the center of the Tcl universe -jcw
2004-05-19 Michael Heca
Very nice. Can be search box or link to search page on front page?